Landy at Winn Dixie

"GLiddy" (GLiddy) 11/13/2014 at 18:31 • Filed to: None

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Shopping at a new market today and this was in the far part of the lot. I've always thought a Defender 90 would be fun but I really don't have the time to take on a project like this wagon. Assuming it could be bought, that is.

Can anyone fill me in on just what this is? Year? Engine? Price?

Joshua "Dr. Science" Gilbert > GLiddy 11/13/2014 at 18:35

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Looks like a '58-61 Series II

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Joshua "Dr. Science" Gilbert 11/13/2014 at 18:37

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Nope. SIII.

My citroen won't start > GLiddy 11/13/2014 at 18:38

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Series III or IIA

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > GLiddy 11/13/2014 at 18:38

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As a Publix employee, im very disapointed in your shopping store choice!

Also sadly cant help you with the Landy

Joshua "Dr. Science" Gilbert > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 18:39

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right, didn't see the headlights. Gonna be a Diesel I4 most likely... right?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > GLiddy 11/13/2014 at 18:43

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Series III - only on the US market from '72-'73. It replaced the previous Series IIa (late version). 2.25l gas engine, ~70hp, weighs about 2900lb, this particular one is a 109 Station Wagon. No longer has US spec lights, probably because the originals got smashed. It has a Kodiak Mk. III fresh air heater, had backup lights (typically installed by dealers) - now removed, and has what is called a safari top - thin sheet of aluminum with vents underneath to run cool in the summer. The locking hubs appear to be Mayflower ones, not Selectro like I originally stated -weird, because they're older. His door tops may also be off an older truck.

One in this shape might go for around $9000 - it's a little rough in some respects. Possibly less, depending.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Joshua "Dr. Science" Gilbert 11/13/2014 at 18:45

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If it were a diesel 2.25 four, it'd most likely be possible to see the exhaust pipe in the left front fender - ditto for a 2.6 gas six. I *think* I see the drop of the gas four exhaust pipe under the crossmember, but it's hard to be sure.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 18:55

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Soooo.. if I imported my '85 (that's in much better condition) to your shores it would get; a) sold for 5x its UK market value, or b) crushed?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 18:59

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Answer (a), if you have every possible engine number matching and the rest - though the market on Series is less generally fucky than Ninety/One Ten. It's rather self-evidently an older car - what with anything up to a Stage One still having leaf spring, etc. and older body build - and that makes the feds less jumpy.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 18:59

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Agree on the 2-and-a-quarter, only because there's nothing to say otherwise!

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 19:03

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Well engine/chassis #'s were only recorded in '92 when it was struck off the MOD census and road registered. Apart from 2 new outriggers it hasn't changed a jot. Wannabuyalandy? :)

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 19:04

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oh, and it's only got 22,oo0 miles on its original engine... GENUINE, before you say otherwise!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 19:10

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The date of title is a bitch, then. Probably would get treated by US law as being a '92, as idiotic as that sounds. Copy of the MOD commission docs and the Official Heritage Project Solihull Letter might hold sway, but it's hard to say.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 19:16

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I'm not sure I could part with it anyway. I'm sure I've asked before, but what do you do? You're like my Oppo Land Rover guru.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 19:24

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Professionally, absolutely nothing to do with Landies at all. I do know a guy in them professionally, mostly Series. He actually has one of the two existing Hobcote 107s in his shop right now:

As to me, it's an overgrown hobby seeded by my grand-dad importing the II into South Korea in the late 50s for his use as a missionary, and my dad keeping things up driving one as a work truck as a builder, so I'm three generations deep in II/IIA.

My work is actually designing sheet-metal (mostly) for high-precision aircon and humidity systems. Right now stymied on an insulated storage box to work with a 700CFM conditioner and a gel-seal HEPA air filter. Uggh.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 19:31

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I definitely haven't asked before, and that thing is fantastic! It's interesting that your love(?) is borne by your families history with the vehicles, rather than just your own. Do you get to work on your dad's Series? Basically what I'm asking is; How do you know so much? You even answer questions on the Defender with confidence

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 19:42

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I completely rebuilt a IIa for myself, from one my dad's cousin had in Wisconsin. Total write-off, but not when I was done with it. My dad's IIa is a 109 pickup, diesel, and we've had it offline for a while waiting to redo some bodywork, mines an '88 wagon, gas, and in the family we've got another 4: 88 pickup, stripped and waiting reassembly, 109 five-door wagon, ditto, 88 wagon, a bit in need of paint, and another 88 pickup (my cousin's) that is immaculate as of this year - a full rebuild now in Bronze Green.

The Series know-how, as you can see, is borne of direct contact (for IIs, anyway), but the rest I'm going to have to ascribe mostly to reading quite a bit and retaining nearly everything. Some things I do have a knack for filing away, and this seems to be one of them.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 19:49

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I had no idea there were so many in the family, and I thought I had a thing for Landies. You sir, have outclassed me in all possible ways. That has genuinely interested me, it's great to know there's a small sub-culture of awesome Land Rovers alive and kicking in the US - so thank you for taking the time. I'm going to rebuild the SIII this winter, do you mind if me and my horrible dashboard keep you on speed-dial?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 19:56

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I'm mostly only up on SII/IIa horrible dashboards, but certainly!

I think the shop manuals we've got (not covering the III) are ones printed around '68. We've got an original manual for some SI stuff as well, that covers some of the accessories like the capstan winch. Its what I used when I installed mine. I've got one of our two capstan winches, and a shaft-drive rear PTO - we've got the trans units for a couple more and two non-Landie rear drives to make them complete whenever we can be arsed to make driveshafts for them. TOYS.

On mine, one of these (not my pic):

and one of these (also not mine):

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 20:11

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That winch is clean. I wanted a capstan winch for mine! Super jel. I considered a fairey too, so I could bolt-on/bolt-off and keep the original bumper, but decided against both as I want to keep it mil-spec. The roll cage will be going back on this winter once the body has had a clean and paint. I need to replace some lights as some of the old twist-in types have rotted where the steel socket meets the body, and I'm struggling to find new ones. Have you got any pics of yours and the pick-up?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 20:21

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No pics of the pickup, sadly. Here's the rear on mine:

And mine with one of the family ones (the other 88SW, in need of paint):

That's the cousin (left) whose 88 we just rebuilt, and the brother who owns that one.

Here's his just after we got paint on:

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 20:27

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Is that carpet I see in there? Sacrilege! I know nothing other than cold, cold aluminium. Lovely paint job, hand finished corner posts and top bars or bare alu? They seriously make mine look like a pile of junk, but really spur me on as I know this is what it could look like if I wanted to de-militarise it. Think I'm just going to take it step by step this winter and not rush anything. Those look like Defender lights on your brothers

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 20:38

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On my cousin's they're Defender-like replacement ones that are on the market. Better, though, than the Defender ones, because they're removable lens types like the old ones. We're actually going to swap the ambers for reds to be correct to US spec - most US ones had four reds in back, and we have use for a double-filament lamp in front with a clear lens: we're running his with II/IIa early single light fenders.

The corner posts and top bars are freshly re-galvanized, that's what the bastards looked like when new to a degree. Fixed them up, acid-dipped them in the back yard to make sure they'd go clean, and took them to a company to have them hot-dipped. I riveted them back on myself.

Oh, and the "carpet"? That's an industrial stain-resist rubber/nylon-pile entry mat cut to size. Thought I might as well.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 20:58

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Apropos of nothing in particular:

I don't recall where in the UK you actually are, because I have good memory for some things and others, not. I thought I'd ask, though - I may try to go to the UK some time next year or some such, and BiTurbo is in Kent. If I hit him up, I might dribble in at your place as well...

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 21:05

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Opposite end unfortunately, unless you fancy a journey to the beautiful wilds of rural Northumberland? I live in a village called Wylam just outside of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, come for a cup of tea and a nice sit down.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 11/13/2014 at 21:20

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Just short of six hours on the M1? Pfft. I ran every month or so for a four hour drive home from college and back while I was in school. If I'm in-country for more than a few days it could well be worth it. It's not as near BiTurbo's place as Goodwood is, and in the opposite direction, but my roots are lowland Scot/north English, mostly. Linton family name, with a Somerville or two, some Flowers (mostly Borders), some York, and some Bells. ..

Regardless, a visit to the North is in my plans at some point.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/13/2014 at 21:32

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Well if you make it happen then let me know! There's the fantastic Military Road just 2 minutes drive away, which will take you along to the West and up through the central borders to Edinburgh. It's a epic drive, especially when you've got a hire car at your disposal. If you stop off at Croft circuit in North Yorkshire on your way up for a hire car track day then there's no reason you shouldn't make the journey